Notes From an Artist, January 3, 2021:

https://www.audible.com/pd/A-Conversation-With-Gene-Wisniewski-Podcast/B09PMJLSVN

https://music.amazon.com/podcasts/4d269fed-8729-4aca-a319-0e064c677c7c/episodes/66460ff5-66c7-4af5-b30a-b836c89dc33a/notes-from-an-artist-a-conversation-with-gene-wisniewski-the-art-of-looking-at-art

https://soundcloud.com/user-897527582/gene-wisniewski-podcast

https://open.spotify.com/episode/61sr5Nd7d30P5JSRQM5aef